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right welcome back everybody
um
thank you again for joining at the glory
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announcement that i want to give is a
giveaway actually the second giveaway of
today
and then during the course of this
presentation we're gonna do a third one
so um you have the chance to win an oscp
course and the link is in the bottom of
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and with that i'll pass it out to you
guys
awesome thanks
yeah hello everybody and welcome uh
today we're going to be building a
couple keyboards from the key company
they sent us these uh pretty awesome
terminal green portico kits that we're
gonna put together today
um
yeah so i guess full disclosure they
they sent us all of this stuff um to to
give away to everybody today and send
out so we're gonna be doing that um
also uh look for a link at some point um
when we do give these away it should be
a google form coming out that you guys
can can jump in on um
so yeah uh without further ado how you
doing lang
man i'm good how are you
good man can't complain
good to see you again it's been a minute
i know right i've i've got all of our
808 stuff set up here you know with my
fun
board and and desk mats so yeah yeah
obviously we'll talk about later but
yeah yeah no no subtle show for this
yeah
no no subtle look you know it's helping
kids though man it all goes to a charity
like i can show when it's when it has to
do okay seven thousand dollars that goes
to a charity that has a budget of 40 is
like a huge contribution so i'm not i'm
not upset about it yeah yeah absolutely
well yeah we can get into that later so
uh
did you wind up doing any mods to your
stuff today i did i did some switch mods
and then i actually opened this up not
too long ago for the first time and
found like some pretty cool extras in
here like this like neoprene like yeah
spiller that they're on i think it's
actually pretty great so um so a couple
of things um you know
i'm certain that anyone watching the
stream that you know you're using your
keyboard a ton of the time right you
know
i i hope i hope for your sake it's not
like that run of the mill like dell or
hp
thing that you get with your company
issued uh computer um but that said a
lot you know i i know that a fair amount
of folks either have maybe like an ergo
docs or have bought an aftermarket
mechanical keyboard um
but
it can get kind of difficult to get
there so
so there's this huge
like subculture of mechanical keyboard
obsession uh that that andy has been a
part of and i still am very active in
um
and so you know that's kind of what
we're talking about today so so this kit
um
is is is a 65
keyboard so um to give you an example
you know that's a smaller form factor
it's got all of your main
alpha keys and and arrows as well so
right like that's that's kind of what
we're talking about so
i have several uh software engineer
friends who are big into the 65 realm
because they still get their arrows um
and that's what we're gonna build
today so i i absolutely tangent full on
that so i'm sorry andy about that but um
no absolutely do you want to walk them
through like all the parts and stuff
since you've got the setup going on i'm
just adding some stabs right now yeah
so so so um a couple of things so your
your mechanical keyboards are gonna come
with a few different things uh there is
a very uh
lively debate about what makes a thing
mechanical in in the community uh so i
will keep it very simple and will not go
like super into that
um but you have different parts right
you've got your keycaps which this comes
with keycaps this kit comes with them
and they are the terminal colored you
know with your black background in your
and your green text with green accents
and then you've got your case right
you've got your whole keyboard that
comes together and i've i've
intentionally pulled it apart because i
have to build some things but um you've
got your plates and you've got your pcb
your programmable circuit board
and to your point uh andy you know
you've got this interesting kind of
neoprene bottom here not only does this
add weight to the case because it is you
know an injection molded plastic to keep
costs down but also these kind of hex
shapes help with sound distribution and
also dampening so
that you don't
in in 2050 when we finally go back to an
in-office uh situation
um you know you're not annoying everyone
around you so
um
and then and then uh other other big
notable parts of the keyboard which this
case uh this this whole
package also comes with a cable so it's
a nice like coiled kind of vintage style
cable uh it's usbc so you know it's it's
not 1997 anymore so we've got usb a to
usb c
and then um the one thing that is not
included in the kit as far as i'm aware
is
our switches so mechanical keyboards
come with discrete individual switches
right so so instead of a typical
membrane keyboard where you're
depressing a piece of rubber that's
that's closing the circuit you have
individual discrete switches um and
that's we're gonna we're gonna put some
of those in today and we've got the the
terminal themed color way for those
as well so i'm doing i'm doing my best
to not like full on shill for the key
company i'm i'm doing my best to
educate you as well
um there are other parts inside of of
your keyboards and if you're if you're
using a mechanical keyboard or even even
if you're using like a membrane keyboard
the four dollar one that came with your
setup you know it's got all of these
same things it's got the programmable
circuit board individual discrete
switches and also stabilizers for your
larger keys so you've got your enter
we've got a full backspace here which i
personally hate we can talk about that
if you like and then shift keys and i
left spacebar undone so that i could
if anyone is interested in building
their own or getting into there i could
at least show you how relatively easy it
is to do that
so those are the main parts of your your
keyboard that we're talking about also a
lovely thing for those of you that
travel and still need something that
doesn't that isn't a um an hp laptop
keyboard uh it does come with this this
this travel case as well so that's
that's something that's nice too um
but remember it's not it's not limited
to just this one thing right there are
there is a massive thriving
business around custom keyboards in this
hobby and you know all different kinds
of form factors i showed you 65 this
right here is like an ergonomic 40 so
it's removed the number row there's no f
row apparently my camera thinks that
that is a face so that's cool um
we have like full ergonomic with with
the with the number row but no f keys
right
um
we have i'm sorry and i'm just using my
own personal boards now so we've got uh
a traditional 60 with arrows and a
numpad if you need that if you're in
excel
we've got the sexy 60
everybody loves that we got some hebrew
here
and then a personal favorite of mine
because it's a set i designed we've got
a tkl this is
every gamer's friend a tkl we've got
some artisans here you know we're doing
that so
lots of different options andy i've
talked for six minutes i think
what thoughts or comments
yeah yeah absolutely i think that
definitely explains the game of a quick
customization uh
examples that you can do maybe maybe
it's good to start with uh why why
bother and like where jesus where did
where did custom keyboards come from
into like a a multi-vendor
um high beast driven
like
clout like
the tldr or or nerd response which one
would you prefer i mean you know it's
like we got defcon people watching you
might as well get monkey details okay so
so so there is there is this situation
that has happened uh with mechanical
keyboards specifically where you harken
back specifically to vintage keyboards
right um if you're if you're someone
who's been in the game for a while or
you grew up as a gen xer or a millennial
and and the internet was either
blossoming around you or computers
became more and more accessible for you
um at the time you had these
incredible keyboards at your disposal
you had ibm beam spring computers if
you're on the earlier end of gen x you
had all of your model m like all of your
buckling spring that that really
satisfying like typing feeling and sound
that just kind of was ubiquitous for
your experience associated with a
computer right so then we
came of age and we got to our office
setting and they said here is an hp
rubber dome
that sounds and feels like you're typing
on rotten
over soggy rice so enjoy your work
experience now but we we took typing
classes and all through our lives we use
these great keyboards so that's kind of
where the genesis of like being obsessed
with with like wanting a better keyboard
came from
um
and and so it really was until about
like 2016 2017 was like a super niche
hobby
um but then
uh gamers kind of picked up on it right
because because you could customize
weights of springs for individual
switches and really kind of get into
that so then it was like oh okay i like
a lighter switch because that actuates
better that makes me a better gamer i'm
gonna put quotes around that because
it's ridiculous um but anyways well you
had the whole like you know the hhkb the
duck saver like the whole korean market
too
yeah i mean obviously obviously like
outside of the u.s like you have a
massive massive market
associated with keyboards esp like
korean customs especially are super
important and super desired because
their attention and focus early on in
the career
really really made
part of what the community is what it is
now
um
and and i mean there's there's over a
billion people in china and many many
many people
in you know metro
china use
some form of of keyboard right so uh
there's there's a big big big market
there so much so that you know we're
getting requests for adding more chinese
vendors for certain things because
you know there are almost aren't enough
right well yeah that that's a good place
to take this conversation next right so
like now that we kind of know okay you
know where it came from and kind of why
all of this rampant customization for
you know i mean even in the last year
right like getting getting matching
colored stabilizers like these green
things we're putting on these pcbs right
now and like you know every switch color
under the sun was not a thing and many
people think that you know mx
mx style switches are just like that
like that is
a keyboard switch right but like a lot
of this started from uh people doing
google form group buys where they say
like hey i've got a
i've got a keyboard dream i want this
form factor this size or i want i want
this thing um and and much like a
kickstarter per se they go through and
they're like okay well uh i need to find
enough people that i can split the cost
of manufacturing or a point where it
where it's not massively expensive right
and and from there
you had a couple uh
internet vendors like online stores if
you will pick that up and say hey uh we
can we can kind of officiate this and we
can we can do this in a manner where
it's not you know paypal goods and
services to make sure you can file a
complaint if you never get what you
bought and like you know that was like
you know your novel keys and your dixie
mech which is now omni type rebranded um
and then from there like
there was really i want to say in the
last five years specifically just an
absolute explosion of options and
vendors and you know community members
coming together like you know for those
of you if i've got like my keyboard
folks in chat right now like you guys
remember box gate and like you know
we're box switches we're cracking
everybody's stems and someone in the
community is like yo i uh
i mean i 3d model like i can design
something and like
i think within a month they had like a
metal like this metal
stem shaver yeah i remember that they
have everybody's stems like but but like
the community's like that just on
steroids about everything and you know
that harkens back to like
the plank right and and you know the the
roots there and qmk that went back there
yeah like
you know you go from the plank and jack
jack
who you know did
qmk and uh
really set a standard for the community
as far as
firmware and
and it kind of just took off from there
where
people just couldn't get enough i mean
to the point now where if you join an
officiated group buying on some place
like canon keys or the key company or
you know wherever granite the key
company um
um i don't think runs gmk sets very
often but they don't they don't like it
is backed up for like a year like a year
for production times yeah like that's
how popular it's gotten which is just
crazy
it's
how to how to uh wade into that water um
yeah the one thing i think the main
takeaway from all of the insanity that
we're kind of breezing over right now is
that
there are many
many i mean i mean well over a million
people that are weirdly obsessed with
keyboards and it's not just from like an
aesthetic thing although you know some
folks are very focused solely on
aesthetics it's really a i have this
tool i use every day i would like to be
able to customize it in the most
efficient or or lovely way for me
possible right
and that's kind of where it has
blossomed there is a very high
preponderance of software engineers that
are in the custom keyboard hobby i
myself am a professional
learning i'm an instructional designer
um so i'm typing a lot of copy and
scripting a lot of the day so i think
it's folks that are using that tool
frequently um
but the reason that i say that is
like this we are talking about this
right now in the event that you have a
disposable income that you want to do
something like this right like here are
the parts of a keyboard at a high level
you can have basically anything you ever
want and if it doesn't already exist the
community is probably trying to do that
like you know it's
like
custom steno keyboards yup like that's a
thing you know uh if you want to type
super fast if you you know you've got
your hkb
uh blocks i specifically didn't show off
my hhkb because i hate it personally
yeah i know you're not i know you're not
a topper fan
i know you don't like rubber domes i
know that's not your thing uh
that said it is an exceptionally
favorite keyboard of the community so
yeah my
that's what the hobby is like all about
is about preference right like right now
i'm lubing stabilizers to make sure they
don't sound a certain way which most of
the community does
um but i'm using
lube that almost no one does uh also i
think that we should mention for those
that aren't
knowledgeable about custom keyboards
when we talk when we say things like qmk
we're talking about the protocol for
which we're we're programming the the
pcbs right the programmable circuit
boards um when i say lube i don't mean
special time i mean a lubricant for
uh mechanical parts inside of our
keyboards um yeah
so it's it's important i think that i
make those distinctions um
because this is probably a good time to
kind of transition into like what what
what is the process like what are these
parts we're using what is the process
for building these boards and like
why like
why is there modding why don't they why
doesn't it just come sold that way and
like you know um and i think a good
start to that is is to say you know
uh a lot of what we're building right
now um is kind of standing on the
shoulders of giants and that you have a
kit that normally uh when you get a
group buy and you buy a board it shows
up with
a kit that contains
um
a range of of extra parts but normally
at minimum
a pcb
such as the one you see that i'm holding
now
a case for that to go into and then a
plate
these can be all kinds of different
styles they could be integrated into the
top of the case they can be some some
sort of what's called top mount system
wherein
the pcb
accepts the mx switches or the op
switches if that's what you're using
through the plate and then is secured to
the bottom of the case through screws
that screw through both of these pieces
and then as a recent we talked about uh
in the last five years there's been like
a rampant explosion of of all kinds of
just different preference driven things
for more more flex feel or a firmer feel
or like a sound profile and out of that
want for extreme niche personalization
has come a lot of these components that
you're seeing now you know that have
like um these sandwich mount types or
some have gasket mounts or some are a
hybrid mounting style full isolation or
burger or like i don't i don't know the
difference anymore like i live and
breathe the hobby and i can't keep up
like yeah i mean the memes are bound
really like
in terms of in terms of all of that and
and on top of that um it seems like
everyone is opening a store to sell
switches
and uh
switch openers and like lubrication
stands and like
there's some oddly feverishly hot wants
to come out with like the next you know
the next thing in the community um off
of what just came out you
you accidentally gave me such a good
segue
into a conversation that happens in the
community very frequently especially as
a professional learning person myself
uh
there is an extremely steep curve
that is getting into the hobby outside
of just like buying a a
relatively very easy kit like this this
is hot swap so you just push your
switches that you've chosen in there you
don't have to lube your switches all of
this is super easy but the second that
you start having conversation about like
plate materials is do you prefer brass
or fr4 or a or stacked acrylic like all
of this stuff then it it goes from zero
to a billion very quickly so um
that in store
uh you know again she'll shill company
uh they have they have kind of an
introduction to keyboards 101 um if
you're interested in that kind of a
resource
also many folks just kind of learned
through discord or the rmk or excuse me
reddit r mechanical keyboards forum um
you know there's there's no right or
wrong way to do things uh asking
questions and watching streams is
typically the best um but
yeah i just
if if you have time or are looking for a
hobby or want to customize your typing
experience
not only can you do all of that yourself
there are
many many nerds such as myself that will
help you in that journey and would love
to do that so if if this is something
that you're like golly geez
i sure do want to do that it's you know
you don't have to do it alone or or or
just you you know yeah
um yeah i built many a board for people
who were you know in one of the social
areas and like yeah i you know
don't know if i want hot swap or not but
i also don't want to solder anything and
i'm like well don't let that stop you
like i'll like send it to me i'll just
build it and send it back to you like
that's fine yeah um
yeah and it's it's also uh
kind of kind of it depends on
what kind of boards you get right it's
like the boards we're building today um
have hot swap components which means on
the bottom of this pcb they've got these
um kale style exceptional
zoom in on mine
uh yeah so they'll they'll take the the
pins that you have on um those keyboard
switches right and they'll complete the
circuit on the pcb and another way to do
that is is to just literally solder them
on a pcb that you
get with a kit that
does not have hot swap sockets and a
third option for that
is what's called mill max sockets um and
those are basically like metal sleeved
housings that go into um these
pin receptors
are you right over there man yeah i i'm
sorry you said milmax and i had a little
bit of a reaction i'm sorry i just you
don't like milmax oh so so my problem
with milmax is that
unless you are
good at soldering already
mail max will make your life
horrifyingly terrible like you're going
to have a couple bad a couple of bad
joints like
we'll do we'll do it in the in i'll try
and put it on my camera so like
at the bottom
you have hot swap super easy and then
like slightly above that soldering it
like the the electrical
requirements for soldering a keyboard
are exceptionally uh resilient and very
forgiving and then right up here at the
very top of the hell escape that is
keyboard world is milmaxing a keyboard
to make it hot swap so as a beginner
i don't recommend them and although i
know you were just saying that's an
option i felt like i had a duty to
inform everyone
that golly geez i don't recommend that
uh sure not up the gate
yeah so like back to preference practice
preference right that's the thing that i
prefer because yes uh i can solder once
and if i ever have to take apart this
board for any reason like my joints are
already done and i'm not redoing that
work all of the time um
risking damage i've got a de-solder
station and i'm happy to solder all day
so like me i don't care about hot swap
like at all but i also stream every week
of my life so yeah you know it's
different different expectations i have
i showed you
what seven boards and they're all my
personal boards and there's another six
or seven just right there and that's
before we talk vintage like
there's different levels of the
community man like yeah
yeah
absolutely absolutely
um yeah so so up to this point basically
uh i know
lang looks like he's uh pretty close in
tow what i have at this point is uh the
stabilizers installed and these are
these are what are going to allow for
like the actuation of your your larger
keys in a manner that keeps them on this
switch right otherwise you would depress
this key and like your your space bar
has like pretty much a 50 50 shot of
just shooting right off this right off
this switch that would be here um and
normally
people use these for anything that is 2u
or larger that is to say that any one
switch position on these pcbs is one
unit
uh in size and any keys that are outside
of that single one um either alpha
alphanumeric or number key that you're
used to um are some number of units
larger
than one um yeah so the two u keys that
you're going to see on a traditional
keyboard are your backspace your enter
both shifts are larger than 2u your
spacebar and if you have a numpad
your zero key is usually or your enter
in plus it depends on what layout you've
got there but
um
yeah
yeah and uh uh andy i will i will
caution you to not forget your little
standoffs
that go
on the pcb because this is hot swap that
securely anchors your plate to the pcb
this is a rare option that comes with
this stuff so because there's no solder
that's literally connecting the two
we've got screws that are going to hold
these two pieces together
so
yeah so normally when we were going to
put these together if it wasn't going to
be hot saw white right what we would be
doing
would be on the back of these pcbs
right we would be purposefully
positioning these
um with the switches loaded into the
plate and
depressing down when we're trying to
solder to make sure there is absolutely
no gap between any of these components
because the one thing that we don't want
uh is rattle whether that's stab rattle
or that's like you know any any kind of
uh switch ping or
or sound notes that we don't want yeah
do me a favor if you if you're watching
this
and you have and like like one of those
traditional i got it when i joined the
company
plastic keyboards that they left on your
desk and you know you're just using it
because it's not a thing that care that
you care about just go ahead and tap on
that space bar a couple of times and and
when the 80 decibels of rattle happens
that's what we're trying to avoid with
all of this
so yeah and that's really why like um
typically with these stabilizers um up
until very recently these bottom feet
would cause um some issues that you
would have with that very sound we're
talking about so you you would have to
go in and clip these and people would
say you know why don't they just make
them so you don't have to do that
anymore that's what everyone wants to
buy and they are getting to that point
but for a long time it was just because
you know they have those molds and you
can just clip them so that's what people
would do they would clip them and then
um they would put
their like insert grease of your choice
whether that's you know gpl 105 or 205
or crytox or you know whatever that is
into here
and it helps
it it's debated whether or not you know
based on preference you want to leave
your status but it's a pretty common um
i
i i don't know many many hobbyists that
are like gosh
lube and your stabs is dumb like it's
it's super rare it's super rare most
people tell you don't use band-aids
because you're you're yeah your keyboard
isn't hurt like don't use band-aids
uh also extremely diy to the point that
there for many many years was the
band-aid mod where it's if you want it
to not sound bad you caught band-aids to
put on the pcb so where the stabilizer
hits it doesn't doesn't make up an
undesirable sound i'll use that word
yeah greasy and desirable
grease trampolines
yes yeah so yeah and another
modification that um we we've done um i
assume you have i have is i've put
different kinds of greases on these
switches and this is what a switch will
look like when you've disassembled it
right and you use one of these switch
openers to then open the switch which
consists of a leaf spring
a an actual spring which causes the stem
to actuate up and down the stem itself
which is this gray part and then the top
and bottom plastic housing and these
have
uh little pins in them and and that's
the
that is the positive and negative
contact for the leaf spring uh which is
shaped something like a p right and then
when the stem of this
switch
um which i i believe the uh there should
be a guide um that's getting linked
that'll have better pictures of this and
walk you through all this that you can
use later um but it'll it'll show you
exactly what the difference is between
linear switches and clicky switches and
um tactile switches right and it's the
shape of this little bitty stem
on the side of
on the side of this plastic piece and
whether or not that is shaped
like a lightning bolt or a straight
linear curve
right and the degree of that shape is
what's going to affect
the feel of that switch
um
for five years and no one has ever
described a tactile force curve as a
lightning bolt until now and my brain
hurts with how accurate that is
yeah yeah
yeah and you know and there's and
there's like there's very hotly debated
like what you use on these switches
right it's like for me um my my spice
every time is 105 on the springs and 205
on the stems i'm not asking questions
i'm not seeing anything else now see i'm
a heavy girl i'm a heavy girl i put
heavy lube on them springs like give me
a 205 on the springs give me a 205 on
the on
on everything else because i use linear
so like i want smooth as butter but not
so much that it slows the spring down
which this is this right here and this
this is a shocker for a lot of people
this keyboard right here is my daily
driver i use this every day i work
i use this at least five days a week and
in it i have linear springs not a
surprise but the weight on the linear
springs is 150 grams and that's my daily
driver that's how i type now
your traditional gaming keyboards that
you get that has like cherry cherry reds
or whatever that's 55 grams so almost
triple the weights because
like why why else would i not type on on
that you know like we've got them swole
fingers right like
the only strong thing in my life is my
fingers yeah and and as if we haven't
delved into the the plethora of options
and you know this the seascape of things
that you could
customize add add infinitum right uh
switches oh my god like
you can change the spring the spring cur
like curve type you can change the
weight friend ben owns more than a
thousand variations of switches yeah in
his collection um
here's
frankensteining switches different parts
jesus my goodness my goodness um
i i think it's very important that we
mention
although we sit here and we are
like
dousing the world with knowledge about
keyboards we are nearly complete
building a keyboard like that like
it is much easier than it sounds
so like if your keyboard is not quite
there or you bought a custom
and you're like
i wish it did this instead like all of
these things are possible and that's not
a sales pitch for any specific company
yeah that is just
if you're not pleased with the thing you
use
all the time especially if you're a
gamer and also using it for work uh i
highly recommend that this is something
if you have disposable income that you
get into also yeah and i mean if you
don't you can take any board you have
now and apply some of the things we've
been talking about like the greases and
lubes and modifications and lining your
board with sorbothane or drawer liner or
you know any any number of modifications
and see if this is even something that
you enjoy or or quite frankly notice
those of you who have for those of you
that have purchased an hhkb right
because you're hackers right like it's i
feel like it's a requirement
to own the thing that says hacking in
the name okay if you take this apart
and you fill it you know you know that
like i think they call it like magic
stuff or the magic foam that you spray
into a crack and it expands
if you spray that in the back of this
case
it no longer is like this hollow
terribleness it it all of a sudden
becomes a better keyboard to use and
adds some weight and like structure so
for the cost of i think eight dollars
from uh from a hardware store you could
make your 250 keyboard better already
and what an exceptional segue to talk
about why why uh
people only seem to buy and sell metal
boards
with with big brass weights
that you can't that are engraved then
that you can't see with big brass
weights um hold on a second everyone
loves putting logos on you know on the
bottom of the board with with the
weights and
it's all about that heft and that and
that uh premium that premium feeling
with big brass weights well
sometimes it's not about the weight
sometimes about the board that you
wanted
oh my god my headphones right now
sometimes gorgeous
first joined
uh the hobby and you know maybe maybe
the thing you want has a literal clock
on the back you know because
yeah why not um
and even though the board sits like this
and i never see it
i wanted it because reasons right well
that's the same reason people you know
like
we we have these uh kiwi switches that
they that they send us to obviously
aesthetically match the board and the
same for
um these
green
c3 equal stabilizers that this is
right like no one's gonna no one's
probably gonna see the switches or the
stabs but like
like i know like we we know it's there
and and you know there are certain
things too uh such as like conventions
for
mechanical keyboards just like keycon
you know and and people go to those
specifically to flex like it's got one
in september
you know it's like a car meet of
keyboards people just show up they pop
the trunk and you'll pop the hood and
let everybody uh
know what they've been working on my
favorite thing to see in a keyboard meet
up is this where someone's like really
close in there
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yeah i like that yeah
it's like when a dude starts a car at a
car meet up you're like yeah oh yeah
yeah but that's that's that's what it's
right like the the search for the
the like was it uh odyssian like the the
in-game just the perpetual ball up the
hill no
that's
that's something the sisyphean yes this
is that's the sisyphean task is trying
to find in game you know
that that holy grail perfect combination
of things
i've decided long ago end game does
exist but i choose to ignore
that i own endgame already because i
just like keyboards and want to continue
the struggle yeah
i've decided that my perfect combination
already exists and it's this keyboard
here it's this keyboard right here okay
i i love this i literally ruined it i i
patinaed the copper on this to be blue
because why not it's it's it's heavy
it's 11 pounds of a keyboard
because why would i not want that and
key caps fall off it has a palm plastic
plate with with very specific key
switches in it and arabic uh language
keycaps on it because i don't speak
arabic but it's beautiful to me um
and that exists as my end game and you
know what i'm going to do with it i'm
either going to continue to ruin it by
continuing to mess with the weight or
i'm going to auction it for a charity at
christmas time this year and i'm gonna
get rid of it like
i hope somebody buys it for five
thousand dollars because that is
absolutely in the realm of the cost if
someone would pay for these keyboards
you could buy this kit that we're
building right now for 135 shipped and
then buy switches and have a keyboard
or you could be an aftermarket whale
that wants the one of one thing that
exists and spend five grand on the thing
and that is the gamut of the hobby at
this point
yeah and that's a perfect time to talk
about like okay um most people enter the
hobby through like they want something
that's easier to type on or they want
something that's more attractive and
they search like where it goes click
click that's why i joined
yeah you know they get prepped from
keyboards they find the subreddit you
know and then they figure out that
everyone who's selling literally
anything related now has a discord they
join those um you know mex on deck and
top clack are great ones if you're
googling along at home i highly suggest
those as starter communities i also have
a plug for my very good friend keebanoob
newb she is fantastic
and and very welcoming so um i also have
a discord but my discord exists solely
for people to ask when cafe is happening
again so like you don't need to join
mine like it's fine cafe cafe is a meme
it's only brown olivia it's only brown
olivia that's like that's another thing
it's just the hobby is so big now that
i've never seen a community more like
just detail-oriented about
stuff that just doesn't matter sometimes
like pulling out calipers to test
literal literal micro millimeter
differences in things and then you know
this isn't what i this isn't what i paid
for this isn't what i got but that's
what we're trying to do
has a consulting business to match
colors of keycaps like that is he he
scientifically matches keycaps so that
the end product is exactly what was
represented
correctly like
like that's
we are a community of nerdy nerds like
it's it's not even funny yeah
yeah it's uh yeah it you know and
everyone gets bit too right like it's
always i do i do my first one and then
it's like you know oh i want to
you know i want to
get one like this or like now now i kind
of want one that has like all of these
functions and and then pretty soon
before you know it you know you've got
you've got the pelican case with the
pick and pull foam
on your way to keycon you know and
you're you're you're you're painfully
connected to
whatever alert system you're using to
let you know that you know the the key
cult raffle is happening in 37 minutes
which only says real time real talk um
the one thing and if anyone out there is
like me
and it's very big into reality shows i i
look i live a good life i feel like i'm
a good husband i love my children i feel
like i'm a good dad
my guilty pleasure is terrible reality
shows because they make me feel better
about who i am as a person okay so
the one thing that the keyboard hobby
has that i highly recommend to you
is if you like drama girl we got it
oh my god
holy hell it is chock full of who did
this and what happened and if you want
to be a part of it you can be if you
don't want to hear it you absolutely can
avoid it but i have entire discord
channels devoted to just specific humans
that cause drama like i am not kidding
it's it's pretty much like just you know
well sitting on the vegas strip and at
midnight and just the people watching
watching the kicker fan oh my god yeah
all right so alone is like just years of
drama in a human and i love it so much
yeah yeah just just just wild
um so at this point i've got the
switches inside of the
case and pcb and everything is connected
and set up
and then i've
installed that into uh the case which
was a two-part case with the screws on
the bottom
and and
this specific kit
i i didn't get to see do you know what
plastic type this is i i don't think
this as far as what exact plastic type
it is i am not sure i believe that it's
pps
based solely on the cost effectiveness
of pps and injection molding yeah i have
stats on like everything but plastic
type i could be wrong though yeah so do
not quote me on that i do not know i am
a dumb so
yeah for sure oh thank you for agreeing
that i am a dumb i
best friends here appreciate that no no
i just agree that you didn't have the
answer and that's okay you know i'm i'm
here for you you know what after two man
i don't know if i'm supposed to swear so
i've been censoring myself
so uh yeah um
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because boy howdy do i swear but today
i've chosen not to
you're welcome omar
you're welcome
all right so we're gonna put this
together uh also i've been trying to
time it to the full hour
so i know that you're ahead of me but i
still have 13 minutes to screw this
together and put keycaps on so
you know i feel like one of us is
winning even though we're behind so yeah
yeah and we have the giveaway the
giveaway for both of these to go give
away did you say singular
giveaways because i'm giving this one
away too yeah built by a pro streamer
i can't even say it without laughing
i have like 11 people that watch my
stream once a week and so i believe that
i'm a pro streamer when that's a lie
but i do build boards pretty nicely so
if you ever need one help like i don't
charge to build stuff if you ever want
me to put this all together and you're
like golly geez that's too much to learn
you just
send it to me i put my at as my name i
on all socials that's where i'm at
twitch the instas those are really the
two i use
uh discord a lot
hey when you put caps on do you still
like say every
single key when you go across the road
to make sure you put it in the right
place i don't know how many boards i've
built and you would think i have this
thing memorized and i just don't i've
been streaming for like 14 months now
and i've probably built
200 boards in my life
um on and off stream and i still pull up
my key tester to know exactly where
every key is
so i don't say them i just cheat
constantly because um
i'm a terrible human
uh
yeah and i'm not gonna refute that ever
yeah i absolutely just you know
a-s-d-o-g-h-j got it
you know
all right we are nearly finished here
yeah what what uh what what do we what
have we missed so far i know we had an
agenda worked out to kind of walk people
through you know i had it pulled up and
my brain just kind of went you know we
didn't talk about we um do we have
questions i can't see the chat
um are there questions that we should be
answering because check let me check
real quick i i uh feel bad about that um
one thing that i did want to mention is
we kind of breezed over it earlier you
know um
the the thing that i think keeps me
loving the hobby so much is the ability
to not only connect with people but also
give back so um you know last year andy
and i partnered on creating this key set
that is here on this keyboard now
um and he did an incredible in most all
of the work to be completely fair um and
designed this lovely desk mat that we're
looking at here inspired by the 808 the
trs-808 uh rhythm composer and we and
through that got to donate
to seven thousand dollars to a charity
called the children's music fund um
their website is the cmf.org
if you are in california or you like
children or like helping sick children i
highly recommend you go to them um they
actually do music therapy with with
children who have to be in hospitals for
extended periods of time so to kind of
cut the monotony of their lives and
maybe enrich them they give lessons they
they play music for them they give
concerts um you know they have a small
budget of about forty one thousand
dollars a year and they're extremely
highly rated in terms of funds going to
the actual uh thing that they say
they're going to do
um so
you know we we likely will be doing
another run of the 808 set so you can
get a key set and donate at the same
time but if you just like to give money
to good things or good people
you know the community helped us do that
but i also urge you to at least check
them out especially if you're in
southern california that's where they do
most of their operations um that's
that's really the main thing i wanted to
talk about aside from keyboards today so
yeah and i know we posted the guide too
for people to be able to consult after
the fact because i know we just threw
like an absolute uh
understand how to build a keyboard now
yeah like there's that that was that was
a lot for you guys so yeah um check
check that link out um save it that way
you have a good reference um you can
always reach out to me on all of my
socials too it should just be uh andy
dooring on any platform
that you that you want to hit and i am
always more than helpful to to sherpa
anyone through
um the complicated landmine field that
is trying to build your first custom
keyboard i would i would like i would be
remiss if i didn't let people who know
andy uh aware into this piece of
knowledge uh but
he is one of
the most desired artisan makers in the
community and even more so because he
doesn't you know he's moved on from that
now so um
not only was he one of the first artisan
makers i ever came in contact with
uh but also one of the best so i'm a
lucky man and um if you know him in real
life you should please please ask him to
share that with you because
golly cheese it's awesome so
you're you're a gem you're just your
face is a gem got him yeah didn't even
see it coming
nailed it didn't
yeah do you have i don't have any of my
artisans with me um i didn't fly with my
case this time
but i do have artisans in front of me
yours i don't have in front of me but
like here's an example here's an example
so
speakers
in collaboration with 808 because
obviously 808s
come out of speakers
um let's see uh just recently i got into
a friend
q caps
he makes these blanks
that are just giant question marks
and i love that so much they're shaped
like a keycap they're made of resin
they've got designs on them um an
incredible one that i only have one of
is hello caps and he makes little kits
and little cats
little cats and then lachry alum she
makes these fun things that was a cafe
collaboration
you know we've got jam jams and space
jams this is a seal in pajamas
named jam jams
how amazing is that we've got space jams
the seal in pajamas in a space suit
because why not
look at this little alpha keys look
artisans are a whole thing okay and
that's a whole nother realm if you
appreciate art or you just like silly
things in your keyboards
man
we've got a lot of options for you there
yeah if you wanna if you want a rabbit
hole you won't recover from boy boy do i
have a niche in a niche for you like
we're we're very specific keyboards and
keyboard layouts not niche enough for
you well let me introduce you to
artisans because you can spend entire
years worth of paychecks on those bad
girls and boys
and you shan't recover from them so
enjoy that
yeah i guess a a real quick like
artisans in 30 seconds right is like
people uh sculpt people sculpt key caps
out of um
whatever medium they like they create
silicon molds and then they hand dye uh
resin um with pigment and then they
apply those to the molds under pressure
to make sure that there's no bubbling
and cracking and those are like
decorative uh one-off normally 1u
keys for your board that are still very
much like very low supply very high
demand people find you know just like
supreme or coach or whatever whatever
you're whatever you're crazy
gucci okay yeah
yeah you know what whatever your flavor
is but but like there might only be like
seven
of a certain color way of one of these
things made and people just
they chase them and they post on you
know reddit uh you know like mech market
and in these discord channels where
people are buying and selling and
trading these boards to try and track
down this stuff and and the you know the
hunt and the search for most of most of
keyboards really um is is really like
one of the biggest draws i would say
people people get on that uh that fomo
high and they just gotta have it you
know people people literally trade
entire
collector level boards for single
artisans
i am not at all making that up
there's a lot of like overlap with like
audio and stuff to you people will trade
like really nice four or five thousand
dollar pair of headphones for like a you
know whatever board they're looking for
or like people trade a bunch of
different uh a bunch of different key
sets or boards for like uh gaff or like
yeah the bongo cats or
you know whatever that is man bongo cat
i am all up i'm all about it i love the
bongos man
okay come on
up key cat pullers definitely need to
have one of those if you're in the hobby
yes okay
we're nearing completion ladies and
gents all right where's that there it is
are you a flipped space bar gal
uh i am i am flipped space bar stepped
caps uh silent black stem
in the space bar switch kind of person
still using the silent in there okay
okay
i've specifically bought a batch of
silent blacks just to harvest the stems
and do that specific thing which i have
done on this board for whoever winds up
winning this
um this board is gonna go to someone and
they're gonna love it okay
they're gonna love it
like your color is much better than mine
i'm very washed out but
well and funny funny enough um it's
actually more blue than it is in person
it is it is very accurate to terminal
extremely green gmk terminal or uh the
terminal caps that they've ran gmk i
believe was the original colorway that
did it yeah they're very very accurate
to that
and this is what the board looks like
lit up um it has a range of
colors that you can you can't you can't
have a custom plastic keyboard without
rsgs and b's not only do they make it
look cool but they also make you a
better typist and gamer
not a thing a thing a lot of people
don't know more color means better gamer
i get at least five extra wpn's when i
turn the lights on it's basically like
turning the air condition on in the
corolla you know it's going down
yeah yeah the second the second that you
turn that ac off you know you got that
10 horsepower back
yeah
with the uh with a little bit of time we
have left um i believe that they put the
giveaway link at the bottom of this
stream you guys can click that check it
out it should be a forum you could fill
out um and we'll go ahead and try and
get some winners picked as we wrap up
these builds and we'll put these in the
mail uh any anywhere in the world you're
not geo locked on this one um
well i got a minute i want to thank
company again for sending us uh lang and
i have these amazing hoodies to wear um
i wore mine
i'm in my dungeon outside the strip but
it's cold baby so to send us that they
sent us these kits to give away these
kits will also come with a black case
variant that you'll have too
i'm sending uh all also along you'll
wind up getting um
extra parts for that case uh you get at
least i think a seven u stab some extra
switches
um
and then also you know they're they're
standard tkc stickers and stuff i don't
know what they're going to do with the
7u stab though baby like like
yeah are they gonna are they gonna mod
their pcb and their and their plate and
all that like look y'all can have it
it's just it's never know it'll you know
they'll find their preference first and
they'll go from there you know
and it also comes with these color
matching cases honestly this is a pretty
this was a this is a super slick kit
like this is probably taking over my
recommendation for giving somebody uh
like a where where to go for their first
board over like maybe kvd fans just
because
i would also like to say that novel keys
has really killed it on this too did
they have the nk 65 right they've been
coming out with variants of yeah they
have very very entry-level friendly
things
oh look at her she all rgb
um and and it would it would not be a
keyboard build stream if we didn't do
some typing sounds okay so
so let me just pull up a type thing and
i will type for you
what's your sounds like what's your
level setting method are you uh are you
i'm going to click my fingers i'm going
to use my mouse
i'm what's called a bad streamer that
isn't good at what i do so i don't level
set at all
no snaps no no clicks we're just going
okay so i actually have to select here
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uh
so uh that's a keyboard it types it does
things um and it makes sounds uh thank
you for coming to my ted talk
yeah it's it's it's yours for the
freeze.com
and if you want to get me
the
all the information about it on their
website you can also find links to the
key map so you can figure out how to
change your rsgs and v's it's qmk
supported so you can redo the key map if
you want to have okay but not ver
not phil
not not via supported i don't think so i
could be very wrong again
dumb don't trust me okay yes i'm sure if
mac merlin gets on his boarding with
ports streams and ports
it's over
it's over i'm sure wait where'd the case
go so
this is how we do it in the jeff world
we put it in the case
it's built
does it fit like i want it to
it does but again dumb you guys
dumb how how do i actually get things in
a case i don't know
here we go we're just gonna jam it all
in there it's it's all yours
it's all yours friends
there's my
weird 40
um
yeah uh what else what else what else
what else
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i hope that friends enjoy this a lot
yeah you're washed out sweetheart
that's okay though no i i'm just rolling
with the logitech i'm i'm mobile i'm
mobile right now i got the logitech on
my face but i also have like studio
lights because i'm you know a pro
streamer you know
just the pro-ist of pros you know like
got my my flown cameras
shake my desk and you know what doesn't
happen the cameras don't move you know
oh oh no we we did it live we showed up
and we built we built the little
operations center oh i'm sorry i'm sorry
i was unaware that this was the stream
where you were gonna tell me that you
were better than me
i love streaming with you you're so much
fun
you're so much fun i'm so happy that
this got to happen thank you thank you
thank you uh all the extra parts i got
to put in there i'm going to put out
listen hey we don't we don't want to we
don't want to run over time more than we
have to and we're also going to uh make
sure that we announce the winner um
we're going to leave that form open for
a little while to give everyone an
opportunity um because this is probably
gonna be the only form in this hobby
you're going to fill out where you feel
like you had enough time to do it um
we're trying to get something so we
really want you to milk this you know
uh i do feel like with the bongo cats i
have enough time
however
like 12 000 entries i never i'm gonna
win one of ten caps like you know that's
yeah
cheers to winning i guess yeah form's
open for seven minutes good luck
yeah so
well all right yeah hey man thanks again
for joining me thanks for thanks for
always for being down to do another wild
project with me you always say yes every
time i ask you that's why i keep asking
um and and again you know like um
i'm me me jeff i'm not trying to sell
anybody anything if you do it like if
this did interest you even a little bit
uh reach out the the the at lang like
you can
i i am extremely accessible ask
questions please please i'm not don't
you don't have to come to my twitch
stream and sub you don't have to join my
discord you can just ask questions it's
fine hit me on instagram hit me on
discord whatever you know you don't have
to do any of that so um no pressure yeah
that way
oh
it's your house omar thanks for having
us i don't know thank you
thank you you appreciate it you got like
the dslr like you got mirrorless on your
face like oh it's all over oh man
you're like not messing around actually
you're gonna like
this one's more shoot oh oh it's oh my
god hold on hold on uh okay so on the
bottom it's the star wars one right yeah
that's the gmk
that's the star wars one that's a boba
fett right yeah the sa boba fett yeah
yeah dsa both or not dsa that's the gmk
one that's the gm
i didn't know they did a gmk run i've
been out in it
the one up top oh my god what's that uh
red riot
no
no ah i can't remember the name but an
essay a nice uh
gentleman is that s.a berserk oh berserk
damn it there it is you're killing me
kill it down but not out still got it
still got it
well i'll take my l and i will leave
thank you guys i really appreciate it
thanks for having me guys thanks thanks
for having us no problem
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welcome everyone i'm barrett darnell
with the red team village and i'm here
today with ryan dory and matt eidelberg
from optiv
hey everybody how's it going
ryan and matt uh thank you so much for
being here today and i want to uh thank
optic for being a sponsor for the red
team village ctf this year your support
really helps uh and it goes a long way
at uh allowing us to provide a big event
both in person and virtually can you
tell me a little bit more about optiv
yeah absolutely so to put it very simply
optiv is a pure play cyber security
partner and what does that mean
we aim to do security all security all
the time right we can help in ways of
advisory deployment and even manage
operations right so ultimately our goal
is very simply to
help organize organizations realize a
more effective security program and
posture
and uh for for both of you specifically
what do you do at optiv
so i'm a senior director inside of
threat management which is a larger
umbrella but i specifically have the
privilege of leading our attack and pen
team um so my focus is on the direction
of success of that team and i achieved
this largely by enabling the great folks
around me such as mr reidelberg here
and i'm a technical manager under uh
attacking pen my primary role is leading
the adversarial simulation services this
is our
branch that focuses primarily on red and
purple team operations my role in there
is not only executing these types of
engagements but also focusing on helping
to innovate the team and grow
more operators to perform these types of
engagements
all right and uh and for the for that uh
attack and pen practice uh why do you
like working there
yeah so for me uh first and foremost uh
it's it's the close family atmosphere
that we have on the team and what i mean
by that is i've been on the team for
almost nine years now i've been an
attack and pen the entire time and i'm
not alone in that there are several
other individuals on the team that have
been here for a certain amount of time
such a such as matt himself so what that
yield is a really good dynamic of folks
to work well together while we
simultaneously you know pursue our
passion about offensive security and
just add on to that i would say in a
single word the community uh the team
itself
honestly strives constantly to push the
boundaries to teach each other new
things whether or not it's a you know
failures from previous engagements to
help educate for future uh
tests or even success stories it's all
about sharing and kind of bolstering
each other and through knowledge sharing
absolutely and uh you know and a plug
for that that giving back to the
community aspect you know i was on your
github the other day and uh i was
looking into scarecrow and i know i've
got that on my list to do a deep dive on
after after defcon you know love love
the fact that uh you know a lot of big
players in information security share
that research share that tooling that
they create yep that's what we strive to
do here
and for your team um you know what types
of people work there what are their
backgrounds
so it's a good variety of backgrounds
right so we have folks uh some from
being a good part of us being veterans
uh to business-minded folks to
engineering folks et cetera right uh but
like i mentioned earlier there there's
the ultimate uh
commonality right of a shared objective
of offense and passion for offensive
security testing and then what we
qualify that success really is helping
leave our clients better than we found
them at the end of the day and of course
you know folks have a very specific uh
or can have a specific subset of
interest inside the team uh that could
be of iot to embedded to wireless to
low-level windows stuff to evasion etc
right so there's definitely some
sub-pockets for people to really go mile
deep on
great and with such a diverse group what
makes somebody a success in amp
so aside from a technical acumen which
obviously is held you know it's an
important quality on this specific uh
role right uh is the ability to show
ownership and leadership and give back
to the team um really you know owning a
specific service or an offering uh
helping others mentoring et cetera we
hold that in incredibly high value um
and then as we mentioned earlier with
regard to um like source zero and
scarecrow right is the the public
thought leadership to help the team
immediately and then also give back to
the community as well
yep and just to add on to that i would
say the eagerness to learn and improve
your tradecraft um honestly the ones we
see that excel the most are the ones
that not only focus on themselves but
also make sure that they help their
fellow teammates or co-workers whether
or not they're struggling with something
or helping to help them also pursue and
grow their talents those are the ones
that i see often have the basic success
here
that's great uh absolutely i mean this
is this is a team sport uh doing what we
do
for the for the red team village one
thing that we we uh really love to do is
is offer a lot of uh environments for
training we do workshops we we
participate in a lot of different cons
um and one thing you know we want to do
is bring as many people into this
community as possible and so i'd i'd
like to ask for both of you you know
what is your advice for people who are
interested in cyber security as a
profession
yeah absolutely so i mean i'll speak to
you know the path that i took to get
here and i think it holds true to the to
the question right but i think it's very
important or imperative for folks to
have a a deep foundational understanding
as to how uh
things work right so what i mean by that
is how does active directory work how
does networking function how can you
manipulate these things to maybe work
outside the bounds it was intended to
right so that can apply to even
development web applications etc um
oftentimes i get asked by people that
are a bit younger and stay in college or
whatever and they're like hey should i
take this security class and become a
pen tester well i would really encourage
folks to get a lot of those more
foundational understandings just how
things work before they move to the
stage of trying to you know
move to the adversarial emulation types
part
yeah and i would just add to not just
focus when you're learning on red team
tactics it's incredibly valuable in the
current landscape to
focus on both blue and red team having
that ability to speak both can really
augment your skill set and you know this
is very much a cat and mouse game based
industry and just knowing both sides
their playbooks can really help you
understand the strengths and weaknesses
of both sides so when you're coming up
against a red team or a blue team you
know what they are great at what their
weaknesses are to really help plan out
those attacks or even your knowledge set
to improve on
those that is phenomenal advice this
industry is is a challenge because
there's so much breadth and depth that
you can take
not to mention that it's evolving every
single day it's impossible to keep up so
you've got to have that thirst for
knowledge and and without that
foundation it is quite difficult i mean
you might throw that exploit and get
that get that shell back but then the
question is what do you do next right
and so uh great advice i want to thank
both of you for being here today uh
thank you again for the sponsorship
looking forward to meeting you in person
and uh and also with uh with defcon
right around the corner you know uh
looking to to engage with old friends
and and make some new ones so so thank
you again
absolutely thank you for the opportunity
and uh we're looking forward to seeing
some folks out at def con yep thank you
oh and i forgot to plug optiv is
actually throwing a party at defcon
right and you've got a uh you got an
invitation out there
yeah absolutely so come check out some
of the source zero folks i believe it's
friday night and the 26th floor if i
remember right so yeah come by and say
hi
excellent looking forward to that
knock who's there this guy what's up red
teamers what's up def con it's your
favorite fake brilliant billionaire
investor
my little birdies cheap cheap cheap
cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap i like
cheap things that's why i'm rich they
let me know that lunar fire is under
fire but that is a threshomos company
and that's got so much smart [ __ ] in it
and so it's unhackable or is it no it
isn't
not even you boy and girl geniuses can
do it you would have to be the human
equivalent of cars with doors that open
like this or like this are you
can you will you don't
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all right welcome back everybody
today is almost a wrap and um
first things first i'm sharing the
leaderboard of the finals
and guess what ai generator is in the
first place and then followed by ep ept
and then
by son of anton
but not by much actually the second
place is is held by three
three teams in there so it's pretty
pretty rough competition
that we have right now
so uh andy i have some winners i think
here
for the keyboards so if you don't mind
actually i'm sharing the screen here and
announcing the winners
awesome yeah uh so it looks like
congrats to uh
psycho1843
or psychoslave and also congrats to uh
marshall hacks for being the winners of
those terminal boards we will definitely
uh get those out to you guys as soon as
we can uh congrats again thanks for
watching thanks for being here with us
today
and thank you to the keyword company for
sponsoring
the event as well and thanks a thanks
again
now this inc or danielle um can you
highlight somewhat some of the
i guess the main questions and
activities in
in the discord channel
and also
the things that are upcoming for
tomorrow
um honestly everything in discord has
been pretty quiet we've had some
questions from the the ctf participants
and uh you know our team has been doing
a really good job addressing them as
they've come up everyone seems to be
cooperating with each other and not
abusing machines too bad and all that
sort of stuff so i'm really happy to see
everything going as smoothly as it is i
know these things are always kind of
crap shoot you can't ever
you can't ever anticipate the types of
attacks everyone's gonna launch so
um everything seems to be running really
smoothly though um coming up tomorrow uh
we're gonna have our uh our pre-show at
9 45
and these are all uh pdt times
um we'll begin our finals at 10 a.m
we've got a guest interview coming up at
11. omar do you know who that guest is
do we know yet it's a surprise it's a
surprise guest okay uh and then at noon
we're gonna announce our winners for the
ctf so we only got a couple more hours
tomorrow to work on it um
and then we've got i'm guessing another
surprise guest coming up at one we don't
know there either all right
and uh we'll we'll close out our contest
tomorrow at two and we'll have our
closing stream at three
and we're going to announce a few
winners of the oscp courses of today so
we have three today
we're collecting all the the winners
tonight and then we're going to announce
the first thing in the morning and then
we're going to have more giveaways
throughout the day tomorrow oh yeah
we've got tons yeah yeah and as a matter
of fact we probably have to pick up the
pace because we have a lot
of ways
tomorrow
absolutely and then
one thing to highlight of course you
know stay tuned for the defcon closing
ceremonies which is actually after
our closing ceremonies as well so
so with that thank you again thank you
for the staff thank you to the
volunteers everybody on staff
on site you have been instrumental
and the this inc you know thank you so
much
and i will see you guys tomorrow
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